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FAKE KETAMINE #2: Chemical Test Results of Products From Vendors

This is a followup of this post: *WARNING* Fake And Possibly Toxic Ketamine Hitting The Marketplaces

It was posted on the hub forum at this URL: http://thehub7dnl5nmcz5.onion/index.php?topic=1849.0

Thanks to the user 2fruits who performed these test and shared this important harm reduction information!

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Some of you might have seen my original post about a fake batch of ketamine from a major Darknet vendor:

http://thehub7dnl5nmcz5.onion/index.php?topic=1180.0

The disturbing thing was that since I posted about this issue, a number of people have come forward (including people claiming they are vendors) saying they received bad batches too. There have been people reporting fakes from pretty much every major vendor in the EU and the Americas, who all source from China or India… so this is a worldwide issue.

I prepared fresh batches of Marquis, Mecke and Mandelin reagents. These are the “gold standard” detection trio used by everyone from DanceSafe and EZ-Test to the DEA/police/Customs to test for the presence of drugs. Each reagent reacts with part of the drug molecule (usually primary amines) and it just happens that the reaction product is often a deep, specific, color (from black to violet). This is incredibly useful for us humans as it’s a reliable way to distinguish over 250 different psychoactive drugs.

The reagents tend to expire over time as they slowly break down (each reagent is a mix of chemicals which, themselves, are verrry slowly reacting with each other). This is why I prepared fresh batches; so there could be no error.

I tested 4 different things from 3 different vendors.

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I will be naming vendor names here, because people need to know before they consume something that is different from what they think it is. This can and does lead to deaths from drug interactions and allergies. I would be endangering people by not revealing the sources of my tests.

However: PLEASE DO NOT BLAME THE VENDOR ON THE BASIS OF THIS POST. DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A SIGN OF VENDOR SCAMMING.  Yes, the vendors should’ve tested their batch. Actually, I’m pretty fucking amazed anyone would invest lots of cash in pounds of controlled substance, without doing a simple cheap test that takes literally not even a minute… come on guys this is the 21st century!

The vendors mentioned have each been around for a long time and have good reputations: that is why we bought from them in the first place. It is not a viable business model for a vendor to work many months to get a good rep, only to blow all that work on “killing the goose that lays the golden eggs” by knowingly passing bad product to clients. People (especially people who buy from good-rep vendors at premium rates) can, will and DO notice… and all that rep and potential sales get lost.

It makes no financial sense for an established vendor to do that… or to try to get through a “dry” period by padding their product, because once they’re burned, clients don’t tend to return. However, clients WILL return if you routinely supply great stuff even if it’s not available all the time. CapeCrusader is a great example of this that comes to mind.

So I choose to believe this was an unfortunate and genuine error on the part of the vendors, who got screwed and didn’t see it coming because they didn’t do a $5 test that takes 30 seconds and can order without having to get off your chair.

That sounds pretty silly right? Unfortunately drug suppliers are not always the most chemistry-literate people… their expertise is underground business, not chemical testing labs. Most of them don’t test. So I choose to believe that the vendors named below were simply themselves scammed by their supplier. And guys, if I was in your shoes I’d be sending a hitman after your supplier and a thug with a baseball bat after your negligent importer.

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OK, now for the results of my tests. I will post picture proof shortly.

In order, my tests were:

1. “K” from subtickle – whole powder as received from our order.

2. “K” from subtickle – placed in isopropyl alcohol, heated, and the dissolved fraction (K is soluble in it) was filtered using medium-flow filter discs, then dried to get it back to powder.

3. “K” from HMDD.

4. Ketamine from a local source, who actually sells real ketamine but has an unfortunate tendency to cut his K with shit that blocks my sinuses like a motherfucker.

RESULTS:
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The results are not heartening. This is how the test should look for real ketamine:

MECKE: No reaction/clear
MARQUIS: No reaction/clear
MANDELIN: Fast reaction to a dark orange.
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And this is what I got:

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1. “K” from subtickle:

MECKE: Slow reaction to a faint purple/black.
MARQUIS: Very slow reaction to a faint orange/red with hints of yellow.
MANDELIN: Immediate reaction to a dark orange. No fizz (unlike HMDD’s which was the same color but fizzing).

CONCLUSION: It does contain a tiny amount (<10%) ketamine. The rest is cut, and it’s uncertain what it is exactly. The cut does not match any known pattern for the full “drug list” which means it’s been cut with another chemical not intended as a psychoactive. I have reason to believe this cut is DEFINITELY TOXIC.

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2. “K” from subtickle (isopropyl-extracted part):

MECKE: Mostly no color change. Faint hints of yellow indicate traces of an unknown cut (possibly toxic) still exist in the extract from the original.
MARQUIS: Mostly no reaction. Faint hints of black indicate traces of the unknown cut.
MANDELIN: Immediate reaction to a dark orange. Slight fizz. Again, faint hints of black indicate traces of the unknown cut.

CONCLUSION: This appears to have some genuine ketamine in it… but it’s less than 10% of the total weight of the original powder. And even this has tints in it which indicate there’s still further unknown cuts in THAT… I certainly wouldn’t sniff even the extracted form. POSSIBLY TOXIC.

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3. “K” from HMDD:

MECKE: Immediate reaction to a fluorescent yellow.
MARQUIS: Immediate reaction to a lemon yellow.
MANDELIN: Immediate reaction to a dark orange. Slight fizz. Strangely, after 2 or 3 minutes, it developed a couple of intense scarlet red dots. This indicates the presence of more than 1 drug, with a wholly different reaction timetable.

Interesting but not reassuring to say the least.

CONCLUSION: I was really surprised by the result since HMDD claims to have had a full analysis done on his last batch. The key here is that was his LAST batch. It appears whoever supplied the new batch I received is fucking HMDD over.

It most definitely IS NOT KETAMINE. In fact it tests positive for Methylone (bk-MDMA) or an outside chance of impure Mephedrone (4-MMC), or a mix of either with other cuts. The combo of methylone and a small amount of real ketamine is a “known fake” used to stretch out or “pad” ketamine and thus make more profit. It’s unlikely mephedrone would be used for padding since it’s a stimulant and also more expensive than K by weight.

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4. My local vendor’s K:

MECKE: No reaction. A little fizz but no color change.
MARQUIS: No reaction. A little fizz but no color change.
MANDELIN: Immediate reaction to a dark orange. Slight fizz.

CONCLUSION: this is real ketamine. There’s cut, but it’s not psychoactive. It’s good, slightly-cut K. It’s just a pity the cut fucks my sinuses up.

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As I mentioned I’ll post links to pictures of these reactions as soon as I clean EXIF data etc.

Very disappointing results, guys.  If you have bought recent batches from these 2 named vendors – DO NOT USE THEM. They are most definitely not ketamine.

There are also signs and rumors that other suppliers may not be safe either. Basically my advice is: if you’re going to buy K anywhere (even on the street) you are highly likely to encounter fake product. You should try to avoid large purchases, and test EVERY batch with an EZ-Test or DanceSafe kit.

This has all the hallmarks of some major supplier having his source dry up and starting to pad out his remaining stock… this again would back up the theory of this all stemming from the raid on a major ketamine factory in India some weeks ago. It seems that some suppliers may be “padding” existing stock by adding cuts such as methylone… and other suppliers are just flat out pouring in whatever shit they can pass off as K, even if it’s poison.

Watch out, and stay safe. And for the vendors mentioned (and the others who got the same shit batches)… sorry for your loss. And apologies if you get any flak from this… I struggled with the part about revealing details. I didn’t want to be inflammatory but on the other hand there’s some serious harm prevention aspects here: both products are potentially lethal in the wrong situations. I’ve gone to great lengths to try to deflect blame from you and I hope that succeeds.

-2fruits

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Keep safe!

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8 comments

  1. You sound surprised that a drug dealer would put some bad shit in their product if they only had a little left and knew it would be a while before they got more. If its as widespread as you say its all over the place by now on the streets or not, I’ll admit I’m not one bit surprised.
    I was on heroin for years and remember putting over a half gram of something in my arm but still had withdrawals afterwards so it wasn’t heroin, guess what I did after my first turn on didn’t help my sickness? Put twice as much in the next one and thats the truth

    • Thanks for your comment, Joe. Your case illustrates why “Just Say No” is a waste of time in harm prevention. The power of addiction will always win over your rational mind – the impulses are coming from areas of your hindbrain which you have very little control over.

      The primordial hindbrain is not a rational thing. Your conscious self KNEW that the heroin was fake, and yet you STILL injected. Why? Because your hindbrain overruled your conscious self… as far as it’s concerned, you had “stuff” and a needle, and good things happen to it when those are combined, so DO IT. Your conscious brain got shouted down as it always will… it’s a young upstart compared to your ancient brain.

      There are good reasons why I post these alerts:

      1. To give everyone the power to make an INFORMED choice.

      2. Some people will choose not to buy/use stuff they know is contaminated. Addicts may continue to use, but there’s a good number of non-addicts that won’t. Even 5% is a big dent in the pocket for a supplier. The more these guys get dinged by people refusing bad quality, the more motivation there is to NOT cut it. The law of economics will follow: if cuts end up bringing in less $$ overall, then they will cease to use cuts and the supply will improve.

      This is important because usually far more harm is done by the impurities/fakes than by the drugs they’re meant to mimic. Purer drugs don’t just mean better highs – they also save health and even lives.

      3. Most people are ignorant about even the basics of how to test drugs. I always found it bizarre that people will buy something from a sketchy guy on the corner and then EAT IT without a second thought. They have no idea what’s in it – it’s a “trust” transaction, and that’s not a good exchange when the person you’re trusting is a sketchy guy on the corner.

      Most DEALERS in my experience have zero knowledge of their product, either. If I had a penny for every time I heard a dealer swear and promise this pill was the best MDMA ever, but it tested as a fake… I’d be rich. Dealers are not chemists. They are usually just consumer outlets for gangs and underground networks. The motivation is money and ONLY money. Sadly, a lot of people still take the fakes and then blame the ensuing freakout and massive hangover on alcohol or whatever.

      So if these same people knew that there were lots of fakes, knew what to look for and how to test it at home, and had access to test kits or onsite testiing booths… that’d save a lot of lives too. And it’d also help make change because those people would refuse to buy from the sketchy corner guy. And since sketchy corner guy is there to make money, if he wants to continue he’ll have no choice but to sell the real deal instead of his cheap fakes.

  2. I had 100mg of HMDD’s ketamine – purchased 2/2/14 – tested at a Dutch test centre this week.
    100% ketamine to my relief, but thanks for the info.

  3. Nicccceee DutchMan, i knew this couldn’t be true and looked like and an attempt to ruin HMDD’s name by some highly dubious characters. LE?

    We also sent a 100mg to webinos in wales and the sample came back as 100% Ketamine.

    Something not right about this post, false accusations.

  4. Are you guys for real? HMDD’s product has been recieved by many in my region, and it’s known as the chinese spice, it’s litterally salt mixed with some cathinone based compound. In case you have gotten yourself the real deal, please respect that others haven’t.
    HMDD has made a huge mistake screwing over so many people without compensation, no one I know will buy from him again

    • I have bought k from hmdd twice (2 different batches) and both times it has been some real strong shit.
      a few weeks ago, I bought a g off Mercel ketman and it was shit. it didn’t taste salty, it had quite a neutral taste, like chalk. I sniffed a couple of smallish lines and it didn’t really do much so I had a decent sized 1 and it gave me a mild, unpleasant psychedelic effect, at 1 point, I felt like I was fighting to stay conscious

  5. I am also aware of cut k in my region of Vancouver island, k has been going to shit for a long time which is very unfortunate, several years back it was amazing, now this new rocky chunk stuff has quite a strange salt taste to it, you have to do 3-5 times the amount just to hole … Great info on the iso extraction and filtering process, I have informed my local source about this and also ordered my own full testing kit for about 80$ Canadian, I will be testing my ounce as received with all three regents and also testing it after I extract it with iso, I will let you guys know what happens. I use the ketamine only for the K hole to really experience the true magic of the drug and alternate realities this is what it’s best for , however in the past recent years I have been using to for treating major depressive disorders via IV administration but will now be testing what I have, I know that it’s ketamine and haven’t had any side effects even after a few day bender and about 7-10grams of ketamine nasally, never had any complications witch very very low doses IV and it works like a miracle to alleviate suicidal thoughts and negative mind states. Hopefully ketamine will be more available for the treatment of major depressive patients here in Canada as it is fully being used in the us and other parts of the world . The person who shared all of his testing information is extremely knowledgeable and trust worthy. Thank you for your help you’re a great friend and person

  6. I am also aware of cut k in my region of Vancouver island, k has been going to shit for a long time which is very unfortunate, several years back it was amazing, now this new rocky chunk stuff has quite a strange salt taste to it, you have to do 3-5 times the amount just to hole … Great info on the iso extraction and filtering process, I have informed my local source about this and also ordered my own full testing kit for about 80$ Canadian, I will be testing my ounce as received with all three regents and also testing it after I extract it with iso, I will let you guys know what happens. I use the ketamine only for the K hole to really experience the true magic of the drug and alternate realities this is what it’s best for , however in the past recent years I have been using to for treating major depressive disorders via IV administration but will now be testing what I have, I know that it’s ketamine and haven’t had any side effects even after a few day bender and about 7-10grams of ketamine nasally, never had any complications witch very very low doses IV and it works like a miracle to alleviate suicidal thoughts and negative mind states. Hopefully ketamine will be more available for the treatment of major depressive patients here in Canada as it is fully being used in the us and other parts of the world . The person who shared all of his testing information is extremely knowledgeable and trust worthy. Thank you for your help you’re a great friend and person***

    ****a question for 2fruits****

    If MXE is found to be in the “k” does the Iso extraction still dissolve mxe aswell since they are similiar compounds? Some more info on what other impurities along with the K can also be dissolved into the ISO would be great. Thank you again for this very descriptive post it will be shared with everyone I know in the community as well as my suppliers.

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