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If you needed another reason to hate Comcast, the most hated company in America, they’ve just given it to you: they’ve declared war on Tor Browser.

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Reports have surfaced (The first one was via /r/darknetmarkets and another one submitted to us) that Comcast agents have contacted customers using Tor and instructed them to stop using the browser or risk termination of service. A Comcast agent named Jeremy allegedly called Tor an “illegal service.” The Comcast agent told its customer that such activity is against usage policies.

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The Comcast agent then repeatedly asked the customer to tell him what sites he was accessing on the Tor browser. The customer refused to answer.

The next day the customer called Comcast and spoke to another agent named Kelly who reiterated that Comcast does not want its customers using Tor. The Comcast agent then allegedly told the customer:

Users who try to use anonymity, or cover themselves up on the internet, are usually doing things that aren’t so-to-speak legal. We have the right to terminate,   fine, or suspend your account at anytime due to you violating the rules. Do you have any other questions? Thank you for contacting Comcast, have a great day.

How did Comcast know its customers were using Tor in the first place? Because Tor Browser provides online anonymity to its users,  This would mean that Comcast is monitoring the online activities of its users, to (among other things) check if they are following their Acceptable Use Policy.

Comcast has previously been listed by the Tor project as a Bad ISP. The users of the Tor project listed Comcast as a bad ISP that is not friendly to Tor. The Tor project cited Comcast’s Acceptable Use Policy for its residential customers which claims to not allow servers or proxies under “technical restrictions.”:

use or run dedicated, stand-alone equipment or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises local area network (“PremisesLAN”), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited equipment and servers include, but are not limited to, email, web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers;

A Comcast spokesperson told DeepDotWeb that:

We respect customer privacy and security and would only investigate the specifics of a customer’s account with a valid court order. And if we’re asked by a court to provide customer information, then we ask for a reasonable amount of time to notify the customer so they can decide if they would like to hire a lawyer and if they do, then we turn the case over to them and they proceed with the judge directly and we step away.

However, this statement appears to be at odds with Comcast’s treatment of Ross Ulbricht, alleged Dread Pirate Roberts.

Comcast previously corroborated with the FBI by providing information on alleged Silk Road mastermind Ross Ulbricht’s internet usage. Ulbricht’s legal defense without a warrant. Ulbricht was most certainly never given a warning by Comcast or given time to contact a lawyer before he was arrested in a San Francisco library last October.

Comcast already monitors its customers internet usage to prevent them from downloading pirated media in violation of copyright laws. Under the “Six Strikes” plan, Comcast customers who are caught by Comcast pirating copy-written material are emailed by Comcast and told to cease the activity. Comcast will continue monitoring them, and if they violate the “Six Strikes” plan five more times, their internet service will be terminated.

EDIT 14.9.14: Removed a sentence that was wrong. Added link.

EDIT2 15.9.14:  Comcast released a post Setting the Record Straight on Tor denying the above and stating: “The anecdotal chat room evidence described in these reports is not accurate.”  Without explaining what is the “accurate” explanation?

105 comments

  1. There seem to be quite some mixups in your article. Most likely, someone tried to run a Tor relay on Comcast, to actively contribute to the Tor network by forwarding traffic for other Tor users. Even more likely, it was an exit relay, which means the relay does not only pass encrypted traffic, but also allows other users to use its connection to access other Internet resources.

    Many residential ISPs disallow running *any* kind of service on their line, among them Google Fiber (as an example).

    Please fix your terminology. This is a quite disappointing article for a magazine that calls itself DeepSomethingSomethingWeb. It is highly unlikely that Comcast stopped people from simply *using* Tor as a client.

    • DeepDotWeb

      Oh No, there is no mistake there. he was not running a Tor relay – but was a user.

      Its said clearly on the article: “The Comcast agent then repeatedly asked the customer to tell him what sites he was accessing on the Tor browser”

    • Disallowing running services is also stupid and wrong. It’s like buying a car, and finding out you can’t use it to drive to work because it’s a consumer car instead of a commercial car.

      • collective

        This does happen when insurance is factored in, and potentially with hire/purchase contracts.

      • William O. B'Livion

        That’s a ridiculous analogy.

        In this case you’re not *buying* the internet service, you’re paying for the connection, and your connection is priced, in part based on expected usage patterns so that the ISP can properly provision and monitor their networks.

        To try to make your analogy more accurate it’s like *leasing* a car, and then after you’ve SIGNED the lease agreement and started doing the Uber thing it’s pointed out to you that the lease PAPERWORK says “no using this car for commercial purposes” and getting your tit in a wringer.

        You can get network service that allows you to provide inbound services, this is generally “business class” service, and yes, it’s more expensive.

        And yeah, Comcast is being a dick here. But do you really expect the company that owns MSNBC, and who has EVPs holding fundraising dinners for President Obama to (a) give a s*t about the masses that write them a check every month or (b) support online privacy *at all*?

        • Renee Marie Jones

          The terms “server” and “commercial” and “public” are all different things and should not be conflated. It is quite common that someone would want to run a “server” on the Interner even though that server is not accessible to the public nor used for commercial purposes. Denying such uses is flatly unreasonable.

      • spankym

        You can’t just buy a car and assume you can operate a commercial transportation or delivery service without applicable licenses and insurance, etc. I am not arguing for or against being allowed to run services on your residential internet service, but your analogy is poor.

      • itguybyday

        Except when you buy say, a BMW that has a speed governor preventing you from reaching the speeds indicated on the speedometer…

    • Please refrain from your ‘disappointment’ until you think about the information presented, only then should you jump to the comment box about it.

      The article clearly states the information. TOR isn’t a magic piece of software that bypasses all forms of detection, it still has specific identifiable information coming from your external IP that will automatically apply you to its usage. Or perhaps just the download of the TOR browser is monitored. Either way, comcast wants to fuck everyone over hard in every way possible.

    • It sounds like he was running a relay as Comcast apparently has a no proxy or unauthorized user policy.

    • Christopher

      To me, it sounds like the whole article is bullshit in the extreme. I have been using TOR on a Comcast connection for YEARS and have not been contacted ONCE by Comcast about my usage of it.

      It sounds more like someone started spewing crap and everyone started lapping it up with no verification or higher reasoning functionality being applied.

    • I ran an exit relay on TOR, mainly for “research” purposes. It got me blacklisted and subsequently I could not browse a few sites. My ip changed and it was gone. But I didn’t hear anything from comcast.

      Anyways, I’m glad that they finally put in a bridge mode into my router’s firmware with a recent update.

    • john mayhew

      And just think… Comcast wants to buy Time Weaner

  2. Oh, and also, the Tor project never “blacklisted” Comcast. The page that lists “Good” and “Bad” ISPs for running relays is on a community wiki. It is true that people made bad experience with Comcast for running relays. You write it in a way that your readers will understand it wrong.

    • you’re really splitting hairs here…why not just say fuck Comcast and be done with it! :)

      • Disallowing services is pretty standard for an ISP. This is also the case with many of the European ones. This has nothing to do with TOR in particular, and has been a policy as long as I can remember (10+ years). I’m not saying that’s not wrong either, but it makes it a lot more of a practical issue than an ethical one. They just don’t like servers hogging their normal user bandwidth.

        This is unless they did in fact contact TOR user, but everything from the comments makes me believe this article is wrong. The policy they quote also talks about proxy servers, not clients… So if they are talking about users then the author linked the wrong part of the policy.

        • Disallowing services **was** pretty standard for ISPs… 10 years ago.

          For example, Time Warner does not currently prohibit services in their terms of service. They prohibit basic illegal crap (threats of violence, child porn, etc.) but they do not prohibit public services like web, email, or proxy servers, non-infringing file sharing, etc.

          They also don’t have arbitrary data caps (Excuse me. “Threshold usages of flexible consumption plans” that trigger additional costs to the consumer when exceeded. Comcast **really** doesn’t like it when you call that a “data cap”)

          I mention this because of the pending TWC/Comcast merger, where TWC customers are going to get royally screwed.

          • “They also don’t have arbitrary data caps (Excuse me. “Threshold usages of flexible consumption plans” that trigger additional costs to the consumer when exceeded. Comcast **really** doesn’t like it when you call that a “data cap”)

            I mention this because of the pending TWC/Comcast merger, where TWC customers are going to get royally screwed.”

            Could you elaborate on this for me? I understand this merger is not in the best interest of the customers, but I’d like to have a better grasp of what it means in regards to your comment on “data caps”. Thanks in advance.

          • Not sure what world you live in, but around here in the US in the 21st century ISP’s don’t allow running of servers providing external services over residential lines.

            If you choose to pay a little more for a business line, the usage agreement removes that restriction.

        • Tor does not hog bandwidth.

        • Just want to correct that. I’ve lived in more than 5 european countries and travel a lot around europe and personally connected to over 20 ISP’s not to mention the ones my friends to and I can say with 100% sure that disallowing services is NOT whatsoever a standard in europe.
          In fact in most european countries that is illegal.

        • Guys when you use tore client you are talking to a server on your local host. The server talks to the Tor network so technically you would see a proxy server, “Tor” if you were the ISP.

    • You’re retarded for even trying to defend Comcast, shill.

  3. >only the ISP used along with it can ascertain what activity takes place on Tor.

    This doesn’t make sense. If you’re using Tor browser and have Comcast as ISP, Comcast *can’t* tell what you are doing. Why do you say that they can?

    • I think it’s because they can detect a pattern of encrypted traffic that indicates TOR usage.

    • BAoxymoron

      It’s fairly easy to detect tor traffic itself particularly if you have a good list but of know TOR relays hence the need for some to use bridged connection in order to connect. What is not know it the actual browser traffic that is encrypted by TOR.

      • Yes I know that. But the quote said they could actually detect the activities you were doing.

        The quote was wrong and after I pointed it out they removed it from the article:

        >EDIT: Removed a sentence that was wrong. Added link.

  4. Of course the ISP can watch what they’re doing. They’re giving you the internet! They can view everything you’re doing if they want.

    The Chinese government does this all the time and gives users on screen warnings to get off sites they don’t want them on or risk arrest

    • Do you really think that’s acceptable though? Should some random person who neither of us know be able to look at everything we search? It may not scare you, but holy fuck it terrifies me. The most expensive thing in the world in a few years is going to be privacy.

    • Yea, this isn’t true, I live in China, they don’t give you any onscreen warnings, the worst thing that happens will be your internet will be mysteriously cut of for like 20mins.

      If you make posts on forums/blogs or via the chat programs disseminating false rumours or inciting things like protests, yea that can lead to arrests.

    • Paul Lewis

      So does that mean Verizon is allowed to record and listen to all of my phone calls and read all of my text messages and read any e-mails sent over their 4G network without a warrant or any kind of due process?

      After all, they’re “giving” me phone service, right?

      • Technically, yes; the Constitution only protects us from the Government, not private parties. Is it right? Probably not. Do they do it? Probably not; such an operation would cost too much for the company to justify.

        • The constitution doesn’t but there are other laws which do. (Specifically, wiretap laws. Probably others too.)

          • It’s funny any Internet company can dictate what we can and can’t do and the government is ok with it. However if I want to open a bar/restaurant and put up a sign that says No Blacks Allowed. I would be run out of town by the government.

  5. It’s interesting that they fear the court more than the customer. As a business, I would think the only reason that could be true was if the court might have plausible reason to think the cable company is acting unethically or perhaps the government can benefit from the invasion of privacy and extortion of users. When will the government start treating ISPs like other utilities?

  6. Nice Pirate Roberts

    I don’t know where you got this article, but parts of it don’t make sense, especially the last part about DPR.

    The earlier Comcast statements are clearly about ordinary civil and content issues–that is, Comcast complies with legal orders as the court requires.

    In the DPR case, the FBI position is–and I think that this is likely to be borne out in court, based on my readings of the filings on both sides–that the FBI had a criminal search warrant regarding Ulbricht’s activities, probably alleging conspiracy, drug dealing, murder-for-hire, and more.

    In those cases–criminal warrants for ongoing illegal activity–no court is going to give the subject time to lawyer up prior to the search. that’s not how searches go, because courts and law enforcement (and anyone using common sense) knows that if you tell someone first that you are coming to look for something before you look for it, they will get rid of it.

    The questions whether Comcast has an anti-Tor policy, whether it discloses customer information, and whether it complies with legally-obtained criminal warrants, are all different questions.

    The first question is the only one this article provides data about, and adding in the others obscures the issue.

    I’d sure like to see more direct evidence of Comcast disallowing Tor as a company policy. The anecdote you provide might have many explanations, and without some more context it is really hard to know what to make of it.

    • I’m always reading articles such as this abit twofaced…

      On the one hand, I don’t think anyone should be searched unless they see a warrant, and on the other hand, if someone gets searched without their knowledge, it scares me to know if/when they find something, anything they find might be used as not only evidence but also to pressure/blackmail the suspect.

      I admit I might have been watching too much 24/NCIS and the like, but I tend to cheer for the guys going in when they have a suspicion, though I also realize that the cause for going in (some images magically fetched on the internet or “hacked” somehow) isn’t very realistic.

      Anyway, my point is even if the author drags another unrelated case into his story, the first part speaks for itself. Being asked repeatedly what you use the Tor network for? Why should anyone be allowed to know that? Sure, they might have used some net surveillance to find out he used it, but what warrants asking why he used it? High bandwidth consumption suggesting piracy?

      So my thought is that “Jeremy” from customer services is way out of line. If I walked down the street and someone demanded to know my name, I probably wouldn’t give them that (well, depending how they were asking of course..)

  7. So what does this tell us … Comcast is monitoring everything we do … good thing we have our privacy maybe if you didn’t monitor all of our internet traffic then people wouldn’t use tor …. Anyway I’m never using comcast again

  8. Don’t know where you’re finding this source in /r/darknetmarkets but I’m yet to find anything.

  9. Deep investigative reporting

    If you reach out for official comment with communications team you would discover that this is not Comcast policy

  10. But isn’t downloading copyright ok, but not uploading it?

  11. “Comcast already monitors its customers internet usage to prevent them from downloading pirated media in violation of copyright laws. Under the “Six Strikes” plan, Comcast customers who are caught by Comcast pirating copy-written material are emailed by Comcast and told to cease the activity. Comcast will continue monitoring them, and if they violate the “Six Strikes” plan five more times, their internet service will be terminated.”

    Literally no part of this is true. Comcast doesn’t monitor its customers, copyright holders do. Also, Comcast has never disconnected a customer after they get a sixth strike.

    • I can confirm this. I’ve gotten at least a hundred “Notice of Copyright Infringement” emails from Comcast. Never been shut off because of it.

  12. This isn’t a complete sentence:

    “Ulbricht’s legal defense without a warrant.”

  13. Author,

    In your last paragraph, I think you mean “collaborate” (works with) rather than “corroborate” (verify).

  14. “Ulbricht’s legal defense without a warrant” does not have a verb and is, therefore, not a sentence.

  15. Thanks for reminding me never to touch Comcast with a ten-foot pole.

    • Vikarti Anatra

      >Thanks for reminding me never to touch Comcast with a ten-foot pole.
      this will only work if you have choice. sometimes you don’t. it’s either Comcast or nothing

  16. “copy-written”

    Ummmm. Do you even english Bro?

  17. Grammar Nazi’s are the lowest form of scum in the universe.

  18. Been using TOR for years on Comcast. Been D/L from Pirate Bay for just as long. Never once had an issue.

    I call BS.

  19. It’s almost as if Comcast is discouraging TOR usage to curry favor with the US Government to obtain preferential treatment. The notion that someone wishing to obfuscate their identity in the age of big data is doing so to hide illegal activity is absurd. The majority of people using tor do so legally. Viewed through a lens colored with our 1st, 4th, and 5th amendment rights it becomes crystal clear that any organization opposed to anonymity is engaged in activity that is in-and-of-itself counter to the letter of the law of this land in a manner that is ostentatiously criminal.

  20. If you want to appear as someone who advocates Tor you are at odds by using the Cloudflare DNS service that blocks Tor users from viewing your article.

  21. If you people don’t like Comcast go build your own Network and get DSL. Stop bitching.

  22. I don’t see an actual link that states he was just a tor user or a relay. This makes a big difference and would be the point to drive home with a clear link.

  23. Crap like this is why I get completely baffled whenever somebody calls net neutrality a “government takeover” of the Internet. Do they really trust the behemoth corporations that happily assisted the government in eavesdropping on everyone more than a government-imposed regulation that says nobody can control the Internet’s content? Hard-right nutjobs would allow corporate executives to rape and sodomize them in their own homes as long as Glenn Beck was there to tell them that it’s good for them while it happened.

    • SwwetKreaminIt

      LOL Its the government; they dont follow the laws – just make them up and enforce them – [like they have the right – even if all our constitutional rights / bill of rights stuff has now been nullified from Bush to Obama slowly but shurely – basically EVERY nation on earth signed the “Doctrine Inalieable Human Rights” – these give us our INALIEtABLE RIGHTS AS HUMAN BEINGS period. You cannot fuck with it – sure they could find a way by breaking the system like the constitution and bill of rights – I mean it’s quite obvious we live in a parrot-puppet-play called “Duopoly” when really we’ve been a full on corrupt, despotic, draconian Oligarchy from the earliest days – the Richest/Most Powerful people and corporations run the country – not the government. The government needs their money/their investments in war – experiments – innovations etc – and all you need to see is how incredibly influencial the retarded “Corporate Lobbyists” are in elections esp. presidential. The whole nation could be for it and if the lobbyists that represent the biggest companies etc [the Marionette/Prop Master behind our Ventriliquil Figure Politicians and Government Workers…

      We even have a law now that’s, something only genocidal despotic governments EVER have – mainly Nazi Germany and Stalin’s USSR called the “INDEFINITE INTERNMENT ACT” – no reason, no law broken, no jury/trial/miranda rights – nothing, indefintinitly interment without reasoning and they can keep you there, forever – and hmmm whats the other word for an Internment Camp…oooh a CONCENTRATION CAMP. What the fuck man. The law literally says like if a stand up comedian makes fun of the obama administration he could be thrown in an internment camp indefinitely just for that – no chance trail parole nothing. And when the few people who noticed reacted horrified – Obama just goes “Oh but, I’d never exercise that power” [HISTORICALLY – A BIG LIE] – every country that gives itself more power, immediately starts using that power – its like an axiom of the universe. If he had no intention of ever using it, there would be no need for the law period and it would not of passed or been submitted to congress [and not like they didnt already spirit people away, torture them in secret etc etc but now, its all legal…] -[probably Pol Pot’s Cambodia too… who was less in death count but worst in torture, we learned water boarding from them [or they did from us since we funded his regime… no one talks about that but everyone knows about CONTRA – which is more sensational and fucked? Obv. us helping Pol Pot creating the Killing Fields…anyway I never put much into it “theory” wise but FEMA camps seem alot more fucked now, like Alex Jones and them were on to something – I take everything the conspiracy people say with a big grain of salt but listen unbiased, its good fun and sometimes you see the fucked up shit going down in real time or before it even unfolds.

      I tried to find the full text of the law, but I couldn’t best I could do was an article I’ll quote:

      “On Thursday President Obama signed into law the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a sweeping defense policy bill, which includes some improvements in terms of civil liberties and human rights on its previous two iterations. However, a number of provisions — as in the 2012 and 2013 NDAAs — should keep civil libertarians concerned.

      As a notable improvement, NDAA 2014 includes a provision that Obama called a “welcome step” toward fulfilling his longtime promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. The bill relaxes regulations that have held up the transfer of detainees out of the detention center.

      The defense act also includes provisions aimed at intervening in the epidemic of sexual assault in the U.S. military. But, as the Washington Post noted, “it stops short of the broad reforms that Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and other advocates have been calling for.”

      While legislative movement on Gitmo’s closure is necessary, it is insufficient. As Amnesty International USA’s director Zeke Johnson commented, “[the president] should move forward with foreign transfers immediately and lobby Congress hard to end the ban on transfers to the U.S. mainland. Guantanamo must be closed by ensuring that each detainee is either fairly tried in U.S. federal court or released to a country that will respect his human rights.”

      Meanwhile the troubling NDAA provision first signed into law in 2012, which permits the military to detain individuals indefinitely without trial, remains on the books for 2014. Efforts to quash or reform the provision (especially with regard to the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens) have failed and have been fiercely fought by the administration. Most notably, a lawsuit filed by plaintiffs including journalist Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky and Daniel Ellsberg against the provision has been aggressively fought at every turn by the president’s attorneys. The plaintiffs argue that the NDAA provision constitutes a significant expansion of the laws regarding indefinite detention already established by Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF).

      And we can all be concerned when it is Tea Party blowhard Sen. Ted Cruz who best expresses civil liberties concerns on an issue. Cruz voted against the 2014 NDAA, stating, “I voted against the National Defense Authorization Act. I am deeply concerned that Congress still has not prohibited President Obama’s ability to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens arrested on American soil without trial or due process… Although this legislation does contain several positive provisions that I support, it does not ensure our most basic rights as American citizens are protected.”

      The 2014 NDAA also includes a new provision that appears to bolster the national security surveillance state. Section 1071(a) authorizes the Defense Department to “establish a center to be known as the ‘Conflict Records Research Center’.” Using the dangerously broad terms now typical of national security policy parlance, the Conflict Records Research Center enables the DoD to compile a “digital research database including translations and to facilitate research and analysis of records captured from countries, organizations, and individuals, now or once hostile to the United States.” Who gets to be a surveillance target — the specific remit of “now or once hostile” — is troublingly ill-defined and unrestricted.”

      *facepalm* and even worse this is all while the UN is OPENLY talking Population Control as their number one problem, too many people on earth to sustain with what resources are left… I feeel like its only a matter of time [and they’ve already started, if I put on my tin foil hat lol – look at the cops just killing left and right and getting off, cause theri supra-human once tehy have their magic badge and black suit. [Society is a dress up game – one you put on your super-powered Doctors Scrub, Stethescope and have a signed piece of paper your wall – your no longer my equal or my neighbor or a fellow human. Your a Doctor – who couldn’t possibly know less than his patients…its all one big dress up game we play, really really retarded if you think about it

  24. “Comcast already monitors its customers internet usage to prevent them from downloading pirated media in violation of copyright laws. Under the “Six Strikes” plan, Comcast customers who are caught by Comcast pirating copy-written material are emailed by Comcast and told to cease the activity. Comcast will continue monitoring them, and if they violate the “Six Strikes” plan five more times, their internet service will be terminated.”

    No, no, no, no. Wrong, utterly wrong, couldn’t be more wrong.

    Please, read up on how and what the 6 strikes program is. Comcast is not doing the monitoring, Not only is it technologically unfeasible for them them to do so, anyone with a basis in copyright law would tell you it’s literally unfeasible – its not comcasts copyrights, they don’t know any licensing deals if any, or what the rightsholder has stipulated. But in short, no Comcast isn’t monitoring your connection (more infor: http://ktetch.co.uk/2012/07/no-comcast-is-not-monitoring-your-html/)

    Andrew Norton
    Lead researcher
    TorrentFreak.com

    • Ive been harrassed via email from comcast about torrenting [mostly when I want VSTis etc for my Digital Audio Workstations that are way out of my price range and like 50 DVDs of cut samples and midi settings etc] and when I download long running Anime series [Naruto and Naruto:Shippuden they must of bitched at me – I was seeding it forever wihout realizing not that I care – share the love but thats probably what put me on their radar that and it took awhile to download like 500 plus episodes and what 7 movies haha, and now there making the continuation of shippuden.

      But yeah its been way more than 6 or 8 times – I just dont torrent for like, a month or so [cuz mostly its for anime thats incredibly long that im unsure about like I was for naruto that I didnt wanna start collecting and hate – unlike say One Piece and of course DragonBall Z which are my shit [grew up on the 1st 97 toonami DBZ run]

      But yeah I dont think they enforce that “Strike” thing much at all cause I would’ve been banned or something. And its like EVERYONE TORRENTS, OR P2Ps or SOMETHING like that – its the way of the world [or if you dont – you use a pay service that works similiarly – amazon instant, netflix, hulu plus, etc] get over it! Its like getting uptight about sampling in hip hop, HIP HOP IS A MUSICAL MELTING POT SONIC/ACOUSTIC COLLAGE – when it came to old school sampled break beats – turntableism and drum machines & sp12s etc. Now you cant even sample the smallest thing – the CD companies wont even press your cd [even if no one would notice could be seconds if it red flags they’ll tell you find somewhere else or change it] – I know this a lil off topic but HOW ARE COVER SONGS any better/different than samples in hip hop [[achem THRILLER the most sold record [engineered and produced by QUINCY JONES aswell] in the world, is FULL of samples – but its MJ so hes got the money to clear them, not that he had [or probably even had to minus wanna be startin somethin’] because if it was before the law about that – your shit is grandfathered.

      They do threaten legal action but, even if I ended up in court fucked over Id still laugh in the faces the whole time at how ridiculous this is. Im going to jail because I decided to download [NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE BILLIONS OF STREAMING SITES lol – sure they get taken down but there endless – you dont have to torrent anything to find it now, its just a bitch with iffy quality and pop up spam city lol

  25. The day I get this call is the day I switch to FIOS.

    • SwwetKreaminIt

      Verizon supposed to be any better? [most people hate comcast but prefer it over verizon here dunno why]

      • People like Verizon more because they don’t do anything. I’ve downloaded hundreds of gigbytes of copyrighted material and connected to tor thousands of times, and I’ve never heard anything from them. All verizon wants to do is get paid, and they don’t give a shit what you do, unless they get a warrant.

  26. Hmm. Sounds like violating the “six strikes” would be an easier way to cancel your Comcast service than contacting them directly…

  27. That Comcast monitors its user traffic isn’t news. They’ve been monitoring and traffic shaping for over ten years, and have Sandvine devices installed on all of their network nodes. They don’t log traffic, but they record a TON of metadata on where their users are browsing and how much data they send and receive. The only aspect of this that’s news is that they’ve decided on a new campaign of user behavior modification. CC embarks on one of these every so often, when a clueless middle-tier exec gets it in their head to kiss up further to the Feds, or needs to score points over some internal power squabble.

  28. Take 1 part geographical monopoly over internet connection,
    and 1 part federal alphabet agency overreach destroying privacy,
    shake them together and cool for a few years…

    Makes: The perfect recipe for the birth of a national Meshnet. GET ON THIS NOW PEOPLE!

  29. Sounds like Comcast needs it day in court.

  30. If comcast wants to spy on my recipes for cat food, God bless them.

  31. The six strikes internet termination thing is also inaccurate. Comcast has made no such claims, in fact, ISPs have flat out said no account termination for six strikes.

  32. This whole story reeks of bs.. I work at comcast and I can guarantee that if you call in and ask about the Tor browser, no one will have any idea what you are talking about. We have a database for information that they would go to to search for what the heck you are talking about and I have already found that there is nothing in there about it at all. The part where it claims they called back and got the same thing.. not a chance.

  33. Sorry to bump on an old thread and I realize that by doing so means likely no one will read this, but does no one else realize this is is a fundamental issue with ANY ISP? If you’re participating in activities on the DNM, why are you letting someone who has your credit card number, bank account, and/or address do so? It’s the equivalent of “being anonymous” by buying from localbitcoins, then knowingly buying from an LEO vendor.

    This is the number one thing wrong with Tails unless you’re using it at Starbucks. Connect to a freaking VPN first and don’t risk it.

    Also, to all you that called it TOR – GTFO, it’s Tor. Anything you say after capitalizing all the letters just makes you sound retarded.

    • BOMBA 777

      Bet all these dos attacks are down to them.

    • SwwetKreaminIt

      Correct me if Im wrong [I just set up a new TAILS USB boot drive] but I just read in big red warning DO NOT USE TAILS WITH VPN’s – it somehow comprimises the security of your anonminimity rather than protect it

      And how do you know what VPNs are legit? I mean if the government comes to the like give us the info or YOUR DONE. What are they gonna do, comply! Free VPNs are even weirder – like those cant be secure lol. They gotta be datat collectors hiding in plain sight cause how does a free VPN make their money haha.

  34. they’re retards! tor is MOST CERTAINLY NOT ILLEGAL!

    If they can claim it is, I can claim I’m the zombified Santa Claus!

  35. “Comcast is illegally violating human rights by forcing third party restrictions on them.”

    Tor should run with that and win several legal battles.

  36. Seriously, that’s screwed up. Whoever has internet through Comcast with no other choice of ISPs can just use a prepaid mobile broadband service to access Tor. CC should just be glad consumers are still paying at all for their shitty service.

  37. SwwetKreaminIt

    So what about TAILS? I mean Ive always heard that your ISP will know your using TOR and recently something similiar about TAILS – what if you ran Privoxy [although sheesh you need to LEARN how to code a program to even get stated, Im not sure its useful to anyone whos not good already or looking to learn – the default settings im not sure do mcuh of anything except change your IP address.

    Doesnt comcast have Static and Dynamic IP Addresses aswell? I know you shouldnt use a Virutal Machine in TAILS but what about WHONIX and/or TOR ran in a VMbox? Are all these detectable.

    For that matter is Privoxy even worth the hassle, I cant make head or tails of it and I used to do HTML on a popular hip hop website for 8 years haah. Does it help with privacy other than being a proxy?

    What about bridge/tunnels over/with TOR?

    Theres so many ways to protect privacy/set up your private system if you will, that it gets confusing whats worth it – whtas over kill – what doesnt work together, and what is the best option[s] out of them all?

  38. SwwetKreaminIt

    Did I miss any privacy tech you could throw in there lol? HTTPS of course, I mentioned bridges and SSL tunnels.

    There seems to be a new must have/innovation all the time, which is awesome but hard to keep up with if you gotta learn it and kick ass at it to really feel private.

    So yeah any new innovations or, must-haves lol? [obviously GnuPGP w/ Kleopatra – Random PW Generator, tails on usb bootable with persistance etc. Never did figure out Whonix – the whole double programs at once running through eachother workstation and the other one, confused the hell outta me lol.

    What are the MUST HAVES if you will, for those who dont know?

  39. SwwetKreaminIt

    Basically wanna know cause I have comcast, and no real alternatives. But Ive dont watch cabel – so Ive kinda always wanted like a super fast T3 line or something haha. But thats unrealistic. PS4 apps and a roku – I could get rid of cable in a heart beat just would need the telephone and internet service sadly. Phone can be done through USB for like 5 bucks a year right? Or was that just some infomercial bull?

  40. Very informative post. :-D

  41. SWIM switched from Comcast because of this article. Over priced slow and sucky service anyways.

    They cut the line to the house just to make up an excuse to walk around the residence…this person also used TOR a LOT. For anything on the internet they used TOR… So I can confirm Comcast’s war on TOR. Your internet could magically stop working and they will stop on by… Just play dumb when they come knocking.

  42. SwwetKreaminIt –
    I have been with out cable tv for over a year+ , TWC wanted 80 a month for 1 dvr. I never had internet. I switched from that to a OTA ant pulling over 30 channels in ENGLISH. I then bought the $14.98 internet plan from TWC and use that for my phone that i already had set up for 7 years for free IN AND OUT pap2 adapter with cordless connected to a VOIP FREE provider + google voice. I also get FREE INT calls if needed.
    so right now i pay $14.98 x 12 = 179.76 for ISP a year
    instead of $80 x 12 = $960 a year for nothing i watched.

    I also have newsgroups running downloading everything to a NAS box and then 2 OPENELEC boxes running in the house bedroom and livingroom.

    ISP internet is running 3/1
    I have it connected to NETFLIX and HULU PLUS and AMAZON
    i get everything for free :P
    NEWSGROUPS – FREE
    NETFLIX = FREE
    HULU PLUS = FREE
    AMAZON = FREE

    I have to say to anyone paying for cable TV get rid of that crap right now.

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